A very interesting piece from Nagel on Dawkins. It’s a review of Dawkins’ book The God Delusion. Nagel is what we call a “mysterian” on the subject of consciousness, a position that also seems to infect his views on religion. Some highlights:

To be sure, the hypothesis of a divine creator is not yet a scientific theory with testable consequences independent of the observations on which it is based. And the purposes of such a creator remain obscure, given what we know about the world. But a defender of the argument from design could say that the evidence supports an intentional cause, and that it is hardly surprising that God, the bodiless designer, while to some extent describable theoretically and detectable by his effects, is resistant to full intuitive understanding. [...] The reason that we are led to the hypothesis of a designer by considering both the watch and the eye is that these are complex physical structures that carry out a complex function, and we cannot see how they could have come into existence out of unorganized matter purely on the basis of the purposeless laws of physics. For the elements of which they are composed to have come together in just this finely tuned way purely as a result of physical and chemical laws would have been such an improbable fluke that we can regard it in effect as impossible: the hypothesis of chance can be ruled out. But God, whatever he may be, is not a complex physical inhabitant of the natural world. The explanation of his existence as a chance concatenation of atoms is not a possibility for which we must find an alternative, because that is not what anybody means by God. If the God hypothesis makes sense at all, it offers a different kind of explanation from those of physical science: purpose or intention of a mind without a body, capable nevertheless of creating and forming the entire physical world. The point of the hypothesis is to claim that not all explanation is physical, and that there is a mental, purposive, or intentional explanation more fundamental than the basic laws of physics, because it explains even them.

Then Nagel takes some time to explain the concept of non-reductionism in scientific explanation (a position with which I happen to agree). But it’s not clear, given these comments, what the reader is supposed to do with them. Is it: Dawkins is wrong about religion because he (say) is wrong about reductionism in science, and tries to apply this misdirected method to critiques of religion?

I must be missing something here.

This guy would probably be appointed as a judge in Pastor Bob’s Monarchy. Jeffrey Lundgren, cult leader, was executed for killing a family of five.

LUCASVILLE, Ohio (AP) — Ohio executed a religious cult leader Tuesday for murdering a family of five followers who were taken one at a time to a barn, bound and shot to death. The youngest was a girl just 7 years old.

Jeffrey Lundgren, 56, died by injection at the Southern Ohio Correctional Facility.

“I profess my love for God, my family, for my children, for Kathy (his wife). I am because you are,” Lundgren said in his final statement.

The evidence against him in the deaths of the Avery family — Dennis, 49, Cheryl, 46, Trina, 15, Rebecca, 13, and 7-year-old Karen — was compelling.

Upset by what he saw as a lack of faith, Lundgren arranged a dinner hosted by cult members. Afterward, he and his followers led the family members one by one — the father first, young Karen last — to their deaths while the others unknowingly cleaned up after dinner.

Lundgren shot each victim two or three times while a running chain saw muffled the sound of the gunfire.

Lundgren argued at his trial in 1990 that he was prophet of God and therefore not deserving of the death penalty.

“It’s not a figment of my imagination that I can in fact talk to God, that I can hear his voice,” he had told the jurors. “I am a prophet of God. I am even more than a prophet.”

Lundgren formed the cult with about 20 members in the northeast Ohio town of Kirtland after he was dismissed in 1987 as a lay minister of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, an offshoot of the Mormon church.

He said God commanded him, through interpretation of Scriptures, to kill the Avery family, who had moved from Missouri in 1987 to follow his teachings.

Lundgren’s attorneys had tried to put off the execution, arguing that he should be allowed to join a lawsuit challenging Ohio’s use of lethal injection as cruel and unusual punishment. They said his execution had more of a chance of being painful because he was diabetic and overweight at 275 pounds.

Late Monday, the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati issued an order allowing the execution to go forward. The U.S. Supreme Court refused a last-minute request to stop his execution Tuesday, and Gov. Bob Taft denied clemency.

Thirteen cult members were charged in the case, including Lundgren’s wife, Alice, now 55, and their son, Damon, now 35, both serving life prison terms.

Isn’t it funny how when they’re emptying your wallets in the name of faith, they’re “religious leaders,” but when they’re putting a few bullets in you they’re “cult leaders?” Either way, they’re victimizing people in the name of gawd.

Some links that might be interesting:

Richard Dawkins: Why There Almost Certainly Is No God — Good for all the agnostics out there waiting for perfect certainty with that slippery word “prove”:

Another of Aquinas’ efforts, the Argument from Degree, is worth spelling out, for it epitomises the characteristic flabbiness of theological reasoning. We notice degrees of, say, goodness or temperature, and we measure them, Aquinas said, by reference to a maximum:

Now the maximum in any genus is the cause of all in that genus, as fire, which is the maximum of heat, is the cause of all hot things . . . Therefore, there must also be something which is to all beings the cause of their being, goodness, and every other perfection; and this we call God.

That’s an argument? You might as well say that people vary in smelliness but we can make the judgment only by reference to a perfect maximum of conceivable smelliness. Therefore there must exist a pre-eminently peerless stinker, and we call him God. Or substitute any dimension of comparison you like, and derive an equivalently fatuous conclusion. That’s theology.

Battle of the New Atheism — Good for the distinctions between intellectual and political ideals when it comes to atheism. Seems that the political stuff is getting the press, which, I guess, could be helpful in some sense.

This part really cracked me up:

The doctor for these difficulties looks like Santa Claus. His name is Daniel Dennett. He is a renowned philosopher, an atheist, and the possessor of a full white beard. I suspect he must have designed this Father Christmas look intentionally, but in fact it just evolved. “In the ’60s, I looked like Rasputin,” he says. Children have come up to him in airports, checking to see if he is on vacation from the North Pole. When it happens, he does not torment them with knowledge that the person they mistake him for is not real. Instead, the philosopher puts his fingers to his lips and says conspiratorially: “Shhhh.”

(Anyone who’s ever seen “Mr. Dan” at a conference knows that this guy stands about 6′7″ or 6′8″.)

But, of course, there’s always the interviewer from Wired who leaves the article slightly unfinished:

The New Atheists have castigated fundamentalism and branded even the mildest religious liberals as enablers of a vengeful mob. Everybody who does not join them is an ally of the Taliban. But, so far, their provocation has failed to take hold. Given all the religious trauma in the world, I take this as good news. Even those of us who sympathize intellectually have good reasons to wish that the New Atheists continue to seem absurd. If we reject their polemics, if we continue to have respectful conversations even about things we find ridiculous, this doesn’t necessarily mean we’ve lost our convictions or our sanity. It simply reflects our deepest, democratic values. Or, you might say, our bedrock faith: the faith that no matter how confident we are in our beliefs, there’s always a chance we could turn out to be wrong.

Ummm, yeah, sure, right. We all “could be wrong.” And your point is…?

Permit me to introduce you to Bob Enyart. Bob is a lot of things. He’s a Pastor, a radio talkshow host, the Puppetmaster of our favorite sock puppet, Dani, and an aspiring Monarch. No, no, not a butterfly- that would make him a caterpillar- but a KING!

See, Bob has a little wingnut club called “shadowgov.com” and they’ve drafted a brand new Constitution for all of us;

“THE MONARCHY

As ruler and defender of America, the King is the supreme judge in the land. The armed forces serve at his command, as do all subdivisions of government. The King will uphold this Constitution and protect America’s sovereignty.”

Bob, I’m sorry, the King will appoint ten judges, who will appoint ten judges, and so on, until there’s one judge for every fifty families and here is the new and improved- or is that “old and regressive”- American Criminal Code;

You shall not murder. Judges will execute those convicted of murder (Gen. 9:6; Ex. 21:12-14; 20:13; Lev. 24:17, 21; Num. 35:16-21, 31; Deut. 19:11-13; 1Ki. 18:22, 39-40; 1 Tim. 1:8-10) including those euthanizing, starving, or aborting (Ex. 21:22-23) human beings from the moment of fertilization to natural death. Judges will flog those guilty of assault and impose restitution for lost income and medical expenses (Ex. 21:18-19), and for permanent injury also require an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, life for life (Lev. 24:19-20). Judges will carry out all corporal and capital punishments swiftly and painfully, within twenty-four hours of conviction; and limit floggings to forty blows (Deut. 25:1-3; Lev. 24:19-20; 19:16-21; 1 Pet. 2:20). Judges will not convict for the use of force in defense of property and the innocent, in escalation to match the perceived threat up to lethal force; nor for purely accidental homicide (Deut. 19:4); will execute those guilty of negligent homicide (Ex. 21:28-30; Deut. 22:8); and flog those who could have avoided otherwise accidental homicide, and anyone committing revenge killing (Num. 35:26-27) of those guilty of capital crimes.

You shall not commit adultery. Judges will execute those convicted of bestiality (Ex. 22:19; Lev. 20:15-16); those convicted of incest including with in-laws (Lev. 11-12, 14-15, 17, 19-21); of homosexual acts (Lev. 18:22, 29; 20:13); of child molestation; of kidnapping or rape (Ex. 21:15-16; Deut. 22:25-27; 24:7); and of adultery with a married woman (Lev. 20:10; Deut. 22:22; Ex. 20:14). Judges will flog those convicted of fornication; of public use of vulgar sexual and excretory language; of sexually suggestive dress or behavior; of intoxication; and of possession of pornography. Judges will flog more severely those convicted of transvestism; of public nudity; and of distributing pornography. And judges will flog more severely still those convicted of prostitution; of producing pornography for any use; and of sexual acts in public places.”

I’m guessing “burqa” and “chador” will be replaced with more American sounding names and be available in stylish, Laura Ingalls Wilder gingham or calico. I know, I know, that sounds like a great place to live. Hell, all that’s missing is wandering around in the desert to make it all Mosesy. But that’s not all.

“RIGHTS of SUBJECTS

Each person, including visiting foreigners, has God-given rights that this Government exists to protect, the right to Life and Liberty; to Worship; to Free Speech; to Purchase and Use Property; to Purchase, Own, and Carry Individual Defensive Weapons including Firearms; to Protect the Innocent; to Corporally Punish his Children; to Due Process of Law; and to Fail.

No person has a right to food, water, clothing, shelter, energy, healthcare, or education. Excepting for emergency relief, from natural disasters and life-or-death crises, and for government employees only as mission critical, the Government must not give or subsidize such resources to anyone, nor can America compel charitable giving.”

And there you have Pastor Bob’s Fantasyland. I figure we could fence off North Dakota and set up King Bob I and all his christofascist minions in a Neo-Promised Land of their very own. They could, in an uncharacteristically ironic moment, call it “Hesperus“- and, when the inevitable collapse occurred, we could airdrop loaves of Manna^tm brand bread.

UPDATE: I extended an invitation to Dani to come by and feel the love- and to bring along PastorKing Bob.

TOPEKA, KS–The second law of thermodynamics, a fundamental scientific principle stating that entropy increases over time as organized forms decay into greater states of randomness, has come under fire from conservative Christian groups, who are demanding that the law be repealed.

“What do these scientists want us teaching our children? That the universe will continue to expand until it reaches eventual heat death?” asked Christian Coalition president Ralph Reed, speaking at a rally protesting a recent Kansas Board Of Education decision upholding the law. “That’s hardly an optimistic view of a world the Lord created for mankind. The American people are sending a strong message here: We don’t like the implications of this law, and we will not rest until it has been reversed in the courts.”

The controversial law of nature, which asserts that matter continually breaks down as disorder increases and heat is lost, has long been decried by Christian fundamentalists as running counter to their religion’s doctrine of Divine grace and eternal salvation.

“Why can’t disorder decrease over time instead of everything decaying?” asked Jim Muldoon of Emporia, KS. “Is that too much to ask? This is our children’s future we’re talking about.”

“I wouldn’t want my child growing up in a world headed for total heat death and dissolution into a vacuum,” said Kansas state senator Will Blanchard (R-Hutchinson). “No decent parent would want that.”

snip.

“The only ‘heat death’ Jesus ever mentioned is the one that sinners will suffer for all eternity in the Lake of Fire,” said Indianola (MS) School Board president Bernice McCallum. “Now more than ever, we need to hear what the Bible has to say about our public schools’ physical-science curricula.”

Leading physicists contend that, as the foundation of much of our current scientific understanding, a reversal of the second law of thermodynamics would have massive ramifications on the future of both our nation and the universe itself.

“Were the second law to be repealed, random particles would collect and organize themselves instead of dissipating, which could affect such basic processes as combustion, digestion, evaporation, convection–that sort of thing,” Columbia University superstring theorist Dr. Brian Greene said. “There wouldn’t be much sunlight, either, because all stars, including our sun, would be collecting photons from surrounding space instead of emitting solar radiation. Oh, and the universe would begin to contract rather than expand, which could possibly turn back the flow of time itself, sending our cosmos spiraling inward toward a reverse Big Bang, a sort of ‘Big Crunch,’ if you will.”

Despite such warnings, the grassroots movement to eliminate the second law of thermodynamics appears to be gathering strength.

“This is America,” said Duane Collins, a Gatlinburg, TN, distillery operator and father of five. “And in this country, we have the God-given right to change laws we don’t think are Christian. We are united in our demands that the second law of thermodynamics be repealed, and our voice will be heard no matter what. That’s just a plain fact, and nothing anybody says can ever change it.”

end.

Alright, alright, it’s a joke but doesn’t it just speak volumes about the, dare I say, fundamental disconnect from reality so common in homo religioso- you know anything with the word “homo” in it will really stick in their craws. So, no, they’re not really out there trying to repeal that pesky second law of thermodynamics- yet. But everyday, seems like, finds them sinking to a depth we hadn’t foreseen or crossing a line we hadn’t even thought to draw.

Over at Dani’s freakshow, the chicken lady said that some part of the theory of evolution left her feeling unsatisfied. I was just stunned at the narcissism implicit in that statement- that reality should somehow conform to the comfort of the one experiencing it. If I remember correctly, Richard Dawkins addressed it by saying that science isn’t meant to comfort- he’d been asked about the value of religion, it’s soothing effect on the individual in it’s thrall.

They’ve just completely lost the ability to think critically, which makes them dangerous and untrustworthy- if not incapable of operating heavy machinery.

For Sean, who among many other things, loved history and understood so well why we need to remember it

The Story Thus Far: In 1490, bishop’s vicar Pedro de Villada reports Converso Benito Garcia’s “confession” under torture to Jewish Ritual Murder directly to Inquisitor General Tomas de Torquemada (See The Vicar).

His name, from the old Roman fortress-town of his ancestors, meant “Burnt Tower.”

And just like “The Tower,” the 16th card in the Tarot deck’s Major Arcana, which traditionally depicts a crumbling medieval tower in flames from a lightning strike, figures helplessly falling from it, he brought his enemies collapse, systemic shock, and bad luck at best – and pointless misfortune, disaster, and destruction at worst.

Born in Valladolid, Spain, in 1420, he followed his well-known uncle Cardinal Juan de Torquemada into the Dominican Order but not into high ecclesiastical office, remaining prior of Segovia’s (see pic) Santa Cruz monastery his whole life. He also parted company with his uncle on the subject of Spain’s Jews, whom he fervidly believed to be influencing the Conversos’ supposed backslide into Judaism; in contrast, the Cardinal had written a defense of the Conversos as True Christians ™ in the mid-1400s, and may even have had a Conversa grand- or great-grandmother.

Although not instrumental in the creation of the first Spanish Inquisition, in Seville, Torquemada assumed command of the entire organization in 1483.

After fragmenting the Conversos as a united power in 1486, he had set his sights in earnest on those evil, corrosive Jews, even though he technically had no jurisdiction over anyone except Christians. In 1483 he had persuaded the Crown to order the Jews’ expulsion from the province of Andalusia, and in 1485 had decreed that all rabbis report any contact between Jews and Conversos to the Inquisition on pain of death for failing to do so. These edicts plus the rising tide of anti-Semitism helped break up the time-honored integration of Jews into Spanish society, forcing more of them into juderias (ghettoes).

Nevertheless, the Andalusian expulsion had achieved only limited success, since the Jews often bribed local governments into letting them stay put, and he could never really know how much interaction between Jews and Conversos never got reported.

So when de Villada’s report crossed his desk, his mouth must have watered. Benito’s story, painstakingly extracted with blood, sweat, and tears, represented Torquemada’s long-awaited chance to deliver a hopefully killing blow to the heart of Spanish Jewry.

He quickly transferred the case from its proper seat at Toledo, the major city that had jurisdiction over the town of La Guardia where Benito “claimed” the ritual murder had occurred, to his power base in Segovia, where in addition to the city’s two regular Inquisitors, he appointed as investigators his buddy friar Fernando de Santo Domingo and his two assistants, physician Antonio de Avila and friar Alonso Enriquez. De Avila and Brother Alonso had collaborated on the writing of Censure and Confutation of the Talmud, a manual on detecting Jewish practices among the Conversos that Brother Fernando had dedicated to the Inquisitor General, making the three professional Jew-detectors.

By July 1, 1490, officials had rounded up seven additional suspects Benito had fingered when forced to name his “co-conspirators,” five other Conversos and two Jews, one of whom fell deathly ill upon his incarceration in Segovia. When Dr. de Avila examined Juce Franco, the sick Jew begged him to allow a rabbi to visit him; the tricky trio sent in “Rabbi Abraham,” actually Brother Alonso in disguise, to hopefully extricate a detailed deathbed “confession” from him. But all Franco would “confess” to the fake rabbi was that the Inquisition was accusing him of a Jewish Ritual Murder.

When “Rabbi Abraham” saw the Jewish prisoner again the following week, the healthier – and much more suspicious – Franco kept his mouth shut.

He needn’t have bothered. He, Benito, and the others implicated had fallen into the cogs of a monstrous machine with a mission – and its operators had no intention of letting them go until they had ground them down into their smallest usable bits.

Deciding the stalled investigation of the supposed murder needed his own special personal touch to progress, Torquemada once again transferred the case and detainees, this time to the new Dominican monastery he was building in the city of Avila complete with spacious, well-lit dungeons – and a fully-equipped torture chamber.

Naturally.

Next: The Jew

After reading Marcus’ hilarious post, I wanted to share another reader email with you. This one is a bit different, as it contains no flaming or gay sex baiting like Dr. JohnsonRod’s many responses. It was sent to us by Kate, one of our readers and commentors. I thought it was a funny satire and wanted to share it with you. She wrote this, so any compliments should be directed her way. By the way, like Marcus mentioned, I always got a thrill whenever I saw the mailbag picture because I knew Sean was about to rip into some funide idiot.

God Died in Big Bang

Oct. 18, 2006 by Jesuiza Tay

After years of scientific research in an attempt to find where God truly is, scientists have concluded with a phenomenal discovery- Not only will God never come visit Earth, but He has, in fact, not been around for billions of years!
“The evidence all points to the same conclusion” remarks Shelly Warf, one of the head researchers in this study, “It also explains the violent and, at times, downright evil nature of this universe, despite there being an all-perfect, omnipotent being that created it all.
“Ever since humans first proclaimed that there must be a god, there have been others asking, ‘Why would a god let such horrible problems happen?’ For this, we finally have our answer. It just isn’t what they expected it to be.”

But where is the evidence?

“That’s simple” Warf replies, “Ever wonder what a black hole really is? Most people think that they are collapsed stars that somehow still have their gravitational pull. But in this high-tech day and age, we know better than that silly mumbo-jumbo. The only thing that can contain so much power is God. Since God is invisible, it’s only obvious that black holes must therefore be remnant of His body, which was blown up in the explosion that we call The Big Bang.
“This, of course, means that praying is pointless. God is dead- He can’t hear you. Humans and their civilizations formed after The Big Bang, and so thus every human problem came to be without the help of God. This firmly explains, beyond a doubt, exactly why ‘a god would let this happen.’ Because He didn’t. It’s a rediculous idea.”
There are still people that wonder- So how did The Big Bang occur in the first place? From the evidence gathered, God was extremely fond of explosives. But unfortunately, it seems God created an explosion so big that even He could not escape it.

One of my favorite features under Sean was the peek into the GifS mailbag. Now that I’m handling the general comment mail, I thought I’d keep this tradition going and I’ve got something mighty entertaining for you today- a self proclaimed surgeon of a xian bent. Normally, I wouldn’t engage a xian hatemonger for this long, but there was something cute in the way he blathered and he was a bit hypnotic after a point. I changed his name and email to goad him a bit more (he does display some very narcissistic traits). You may want to send the kiddies into a different room as his xian love is quite… pornographic…

Me: Red – Xian Psychopath: Blue

From: JohnsonRod (herpescaptain @yahoo.com)

Blah, Blah, Blah

You pseudo-intellectuals hang your secular laurels on a man who believes that we descended form monkeys, and you call intelligent design implausible? What a fucking laugh. It takes more than a loose lexicon to impress me. You morons need to do a little more homework and a little less blogging.

Personally, I could care less what you believe, but I truly hope when your liberal leftist cannibas chain smoking brethren hand the keys to our nation to the illegal aliens-who are 95% practicing Catholics- and worse still the muslim psychotics, you will among the first of the beheaded to be hung in the soccer stadiums of America. I will then proudly stand in line to take a huge shit on your deceased faces and you can then join the nematodes for a permanent nap in peace.

Have a good day.

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From: “Marcus Noway” (marcusgifs@hotmail.com)
To: (X!@yahoo.com)

“…descended form monkeys….”

Ahem- *from*

Enjoy a lifetime of mediocrity, halfwit.

Love,
Marcus

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From : PoopSniffer (gonadhat@yahoo.com)

That really is the best you can do isn’t it? By the way, the stone you threw just broke a window in your glass house. Half-wit is a hyphenated word just like dumb-ass, which describes you perfectly. You take a typographical error and use that as a requisite part of your empty argument. I am an Orthopedic surgeon, and my half-wit is exponentially larger than your whole wit. You are a burned out loser who runs a website few people visit. As usual, you don’t address the point at hand. I have forgotten more about science,
scientific theory, and statistics than you will ever know.

When you can provide scientific evidence or hard data that God doesn’t exist, get back to me. Until then, just continue being the unhappy, radical, liberal piece of shit that you are, and I will continue to flourish and be happy. Have a great day to the extent that you can.

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From: “Marcus Noway” (marcusgifs @hotmail.com)

“I am an Orthopedic surgeon…”

LOL- okay, I’m a nuclear physicist.

“By the way, the stone you threw just broke a window in your glass house.” < -- cliche

Re: "Halfwit"

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/halfwit?view=uk

Lots of Kisses,
Marcus

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In case you haven’t noticed, we are not in England, or at least I am not. I am an orthopedic surgeon, and whether you believe me or not is of zero consequence. If you are a nuclear physicist, you must be an unemployed one or you wouldn’t waste so much time with dribbling all over the internet like the semen that is dribbling down your chin.

Again, you cannot discuss any substance or content, so you hide behind pathetic attempts at humor and sarcasm which really don’t work very well for you.

Since you are a nuclear physicist, why don’t you tell me what this equation means and what it attempts to solve:

E = hf = Wo + 1/2x m x vmax2

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/half-wit

Good luck you moronic dumbass.

And then, one hour later…

I am waiting as you try to google that equation with no luck, LOL. I know more about physics than you do about Orthopedic surgery obviously.

Don’t get any paper cuts trying to flip through your “Physics for Dummies” book looking for that equation, you won’t find it.

You are a pathetic little troll and that is why you have no following, no job, and no pussy.

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“I am an Orthopedic surgeon”

LOL- okay, now I’m a geologist.

“Again, you cannot discuss any substance or content, so you hide behind pathetic attempts at humor and sarcasm which really don’t work very well for you.”

What makes you think that you are worth substantive conversation?

We may not be in England, but a halfwit that counters the OED with MW obviously knows little about the English language beyond what he’s been taught in basic writing courses. “Halfwit” can be used in both ways, but I was simply wondering if you would make that novice blunder. Okay, I lied. I wasn’t wondering; I knew you would.

“…tell me what this equation means…”

I’m a geologist, not a nuclear physicist.

“I am waiting…”

Sorry, asshat, I don’t have all day to answer your mail.

Love, kisses, and Paris,

Marcus

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You are a geologist today, which probably means you have dug a hole in the ground before. Why don’t you take some of your bad bullshit and fill it up. I am sure that your stated occupation will change tomorrow, but one thing that won’t change is the fact that you can’t win a debate with me. It is mildly entertaining to trade personal attacks with you, but that is all you can do. Try to make an intelligent argument for your position once in awhile. You base your simple little philosophy on the quasi-scientific writings of a moron who had no scientific background-something else you and Darwin have in common- and was a self-proclaimed “naturalist”.

Since you are a geologist, tell me what this equation describes and the principle involved:

pS = rB
___ ____

pL hB

Again, good luck you fucking idiot cum slurper.

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Dear Stafford,

“I am sure that your stated occupation will change tomorrow…”

You’re right; now I’m a cardiologist.

“…you can’t win a debate with me.”

You’re right. You’re so ultra-cool that I won’t even try. You can just claim victory right here and now. I’ll swoon under the might of your bigger rhetorical penis.

“…tell me what this equation describes and the principle involved…”

I can’t do that! I’m a cardiologist!

“Again, good luck you fucking idiot cum slurper.”

Did you learn that from jebus?

Love and Kisses,
Marcus

PS: Wanna cyber?

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The most hilarious part of your worthless diatribe is that it is all that you have. There is no substance to your writings. It is pure fodder. At least you are smart enough to admit that you can’t win a debate with me, that’s big of an adolescent such as yourself. I truly feel sorry for you. You are one of the most pathetic people I have ever run across, and you are clearly bitter. You won’t engage in a real debate and it is clear why, you can’t.

Obviously, you are embarassed to state what your occupation is because you are an expert in nothing. So what we are left with is your opinion which you are entitled to. Everyone has the right to be ignorant, and you are the poster child of that notion. Have fun flipping burgers or whatever it is you really do.

Marcus Noway….

Noway you can win a debate
Noway you can get laid
Noway you will ever be rich
Noway you will ever be taken seriously
Noway you will ever be a legend except in you own mind

Take care loser.

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“At least you are smart enough to admit that you can’t win a debate with me…”

Hooray! You’re a winner!

“…you are clearly bitter.”

I would think of myself more as a “sweet”.

“You won’t engage in a real debate and it is clear why, you can’t.” < -- Comma Splice LOL

"...you are embarassed to state what your occupation is..."

Okay, you've got me. I'm an orthopedic surgeon.

You're so overflowing with xian love that I'm shocked I haven't been convinced to give my soul to jebus. Do you think we could meet for a "casual" encounter?

Love and Leather,
Marcus

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I have finally realized what you think you are, an English professor. Unfortunately, you are still just a blithering idiot. You would not know a comma splice if it walked up and licked your nuts. Of course for that to happen we would have to knock your crack smoking boyfriend off your cock to accomplish that.

Since you have no idea how to have a real debate, I have wasted enough time with you. I can trade insults with people I actually like instead of you. At least they are funny which is diametrically opposed to your weak commentary.

Yawn……..

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“You would not know a comma splice if it walked up and licked your nuts.”

Don’t be embarassed about your grammatical mistakes- a lot of people make them.

“Since you have no idea how to have a real debate, I have wasted enough time with you.”

I have an idea, but you’re not really worth a debate. Of course, I don’t view our time together as a waste; it was quite entertaining, perenium head.

Love, kisses, and Santorum,
Marcus

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I don’t blame you, I wouldn’t want to debate me either. You have removed all doubt that you are a buffoon; not that I ever had any. You have now entered my arena where you have no business being and will not be allowed to play. The correct spelling is perineum, not perenium. Are you dyslexic? You should have checked your little Oxford lexicon prior to typing that word. Even if you had, the English don’t even spell it that way. Although you are stupid, I still know what you were attempting to say.

Unfortunately, what you know about the perineum is limited to the fact that your boyfriend’s nutsack slams into yours quite frequently as he enters you from behind. You have sucked more time and oxygen out of my world than you deserve, and have swallowed more semen from strange men than even you deserve. So, I will leave you alone now to contemplate your lonely and meaningless existence for whatever time you have left on this earth. I will save you the effort of being predictable and writing back that you purposefully misspelled perineum to challenge my knowledge of proper human anatomy. You are truly not stimulating unless you are massaging your boyfriend’s prostate.

Live short and unprosperous my enemy.

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“I will save you the effort of being predictable and writing back that you purposefully misspelled perineum to challenge my knowledge of proper human anatomy.”

Actually, I was certain you knew the correct spelling. I misspelled it because I knew you wouldn’t be able to resist coming back. However, let me point some things out for you.

“…I wouldn’t want to debate me either.” < -- Cliche

"You have now entered my arena..." <-- Cliche

"You have sucked more time and oxygen out of my world than you deserve..." <-- Cliche

"I will leave you alone now to contemplate your lonely and meaningless existence..." <-- Cliche

Okay, I'm bored of you now, fuckstink. You are far too easily manipulated to be entertaining for long.

Love,
Marcus

PS: If you want to meet somewhere quiet, it can be arranged.